Subject: Another "Topic" - Listserve, etc.
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 20:18:59 EDT
From: DoyleEW@aol.com
To: JudiToth@aol.com, dawntorrence@cherubs-cdh.org

Judi,

I'm writing you because I emailed Dawn and it was returned - perhaps the
Internet is now down for whatever but I received these emails today and as
you can see by my response I tried to stay out of it but I truly believe
Dawn should know about this.

I don't think me or Kat are being catty - I just don't know what to think
about this - or perhaps it is NOTHING - but I always question Lise's motives
behind everything.  Just my gut instinct working.  I did send it to Dawn too
- just in case Kat has not.  I've also observed that when Kat has posted
after the original - which I've read and reread about her feelings - begging
no one to be offended by them - that Lise "seems" to post after Kat in an
attempt to change the subject/tone of things or dismiss Kat's posts?
 Perhaps I'm reading too much into it.

I just feel that Dawn should be aware - and since you too are a moderator -
so should you.  I hate that we must monitor or be careful of some things
written but also know that this could emulate into something as some things
have in the past.

Hugs,
Elizabeth

Subj: HI - off the listserv
Date: 5/20/02 12:39:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From:    katregier@yahoo.com (Katheryn Regier)
To:    doyleew@aol.com (doyle_propst)

Hi Elizabeth,
I sent you an email I just read this morning.  I'm not
trying to be "catty", but just very surprised.  I
thought you would find it interesting that she would
e-mail me personally about the whole website thing.  I
think it's weird how she's been harboring these
feelings, and honestly, I don't hold against her.  I
had to write what I felt about our "convictions" and
such.  Do you think my response to her was okay?

Kat

This was the email that she received from Lise and her reply:

Subj: Re: Fw: Re: [cherubs2] mother's day cards
Date: 5/20/02 12:04:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From:    katregier@yahoo.com (Katheryn Regier)
To:    mdilll2@juno.com

Dear Lise,
I'm sorry you feel like that when you read my posts.
I know how it feels to have that feeling.  Thank you
for apologizing.  I know how hard it is to do that
too.  I know that when we have strong convictions
about something, it is difficult to not let our
feelings get in the way.  You are right when you say
that it's difficult to understand the meaning behind a
post when you can't see that person's face.  We all
have our own fears and guilts and personal
relationships with God and I truly think that this
listserv should be and is a place to find comfort.  I
hope that you continue to post here and feel
comfortable doing so Lise.  Take care.

Kat

--- mdilll2@juno.com wrote:
> This is sort of overdue. I really really feel
> terrible about the whole
> Laura thing and her website. Everytime I see you
> post I get this horrible
> pit in my stomach. My husband really wants me off
> here and has sort of
> told me not to post anymore. But, for me it is a
> comfort to read the
> posts.
> Anyway, I hope you can accept my apology.
> It is so difficult to 'hear' a persons words when
> you are writing them
> out.I mean, You know you can't see someones face and
> to see the
> expression and the tone of voice I think  means alot
>  ( if that makes
> sense)
> I really want to tell you how sorry I am for the
> entire misunderstanding,
> my stupidity and overall idiotness. This isn't the
> place to make hearts
> break but to heal them. So I'm sorry.
> LISE

This was my reply to Kat:

Subj: Re: HI - off the listserv
Date: 5/20/02 1:18:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: DoyleEW
To: katregier@yahoo.com

I think your response was very okay - but PLEASE forward this to Dawn T.
Seriously.  Nothing has been mentioned about that subject for how long?  And
She is bringing it up again!  I'm not that objective in this but the tone is
like - I feel bad when you post Kat and my husband wants me not to post, be
part of, etc?

Sorry - but let Dawn KNOW about this.  It would be one thing if she emailed
you about your list of names or anything else to broach this subject again -
seems to me that you and all have made peace with everything - and now she
brings it up again?  Afterall, I think that it has been ordered by Dawn to
keep these conflicts off the listserv, do not bring them up privately either
-

Thank you so much for the Mother's Day card - and magnets!  I need them - we
are moving on June 1 - and a threw a bunch away!

Hugs,
Elizabeth